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Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:33 pm

Since it was bound to happen sooner or later "Superman Returns" director Bryan Singer is giving his thoughts on MOS and some bits on the next "X-Men" film.

Originally quoted by Bryan Singer during an interview:

“If this was a few year ago, I might have [felt disappointed] - but so much time has passed. I’ve done two movies [since Superman Returns], I’ll be on my third movie now in the [X-Men] universe… so whilst it would have been nice then, now I’m actually genuinely looking forward to seeing Zack [Snyder]’s movie [Man Of Steel]. At my heart I’m a fan. I’ve always been a fan.)

“The original Superman movie was the one that educated me - the first act of Donner’s Superman was what inspired me to take X-Men so seriously. Now I get to go see a Superman movie and I don’t have to [frick]ing make it! [laughs] They’re not easy! He’s not an easy character!

“I got very nostalgic with my movie but even if you take it in another direction it’s very challenging… inherently he’s such a good guy… what’s easier about X-Men is that they’re all so conflicted. What’s going to be interesting in the next X-Men movie is that the characters are incredibly polarised.”

Now I don't expect him to say that he can do a better job nor he wish he can do the film the same way Synder & Co. are doing it, but saying he's disappointed for not doing a sequel to a film that didn't suit well with us fans? He should be more disappointed with how SR turned out and how he should have done it when given the director's chair to helm a "Superman" movie not to mention he should be more concern about what us fans think of his direction!

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  thecolorsblend on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:36 pm

Let me start off by saying that I couldn't care less what the guy who cast BJ Routh thinks of MOS. Still, a few things jumped out at me.

Bryan Singer wrote:"If this was a few year ago, I might have [felt disappointed] - but so much time has passed.
The movie took, what, five months to hit $200 mill in the US? I wouldn't bring up time if I were you, Singer, it's a bad idea.

Bryan Singer wrote:I’ve done two movies [since Superman Returns],
One was Valkyrie. Damned if I can remember the other one he directed. But whatever, it's not like Valkyrie knocked 'em dead at the box office.

Bryan Singer wrote:At my heart I’m a fan. I’ve always been a fan.
Ah yes, of course, ONLY a fan would cast a skinny toothpick like BJ as the headliner, make Superman an absentee father, resentful ex and total stalker. Yep, oh yeah, Singer's fan cred is just leaking all over the place here...

Bryan Singer wrote:The original Superman movie was the one that educated me
Doesn't seem like he paid attention to any of the parts that really mattered...

Bryan Singer wrote:They’re not easy! He’s not an easy character!
Maybe I shouldn't say this in relation to Bryan Singer but, um, he's 6'4", has black hair, blue eyes, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke and tells the truth. I don't see what's so difficult about that.

Bryan Singer wrote:I got very nostalgic with my movie
No shit!

Bryan Singer wrote:but even if you take it in another direction it’s very challenging… inherently he’s such a good guy… what’s easier about X-Men is that they’re all so conflicted. What’s going to be interesting in the next X-Men movie is that the characters are incredibly polarised.
Remember people, this is the toolbag that was entrusted with Superman for a while there. And these are his thoughts. I can only speculate what we were spared with WB cancelling the sequel. Maybe MOS will suck, maybe it won't, but there's always a chance it could be great now that a fresh crew is running the show. Had Singer come back, there'd be no hope. None.

EDIT- Oh, and something else...

Bryan Singer wrote:I don’t have to [frick]ing make it! [laughs]
Now, we all know what he REALLY said there, right? So am I the only one who thinks this is incredibly immature? Great, go ahead and just drop some French in the middle of an interview like you're a frat boy. Nice job, Singer, VERY professional. I feel perfectly at liberty to say shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker or tits because this is a message board and nobody's paying me to represent a movie studio with hundreds of millions of dollars invested in any given movie. But how brilliant do you have to be to take a more mature and professional line when you represent/shill products with that kind of investment behind them?

More and more, my rule of thumb is becoming "if you can't picture Henry Cavill doing it, you probably shouldn't do it either".

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  non_amos on Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:40 pm

Rule of thumb: Keep Bryan Singerman on the 'conflicted' characters like X-MEN. That's where his strengths seem to lie. Hey! Here's a thought. Let him take over the BATMAN film franchise. I mean, I know it sounds like a joke but..........he wants realism, he wants conflicted, he wants dark. And there you go! He'd do Nolan proud.

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  thecolorsblend on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:19 pm

non_amos wrote:Rule of thumb: Keep Bryan Singerman on the 'conflicted' characters like X-MEN. That's where his strengths seem to lie. Hey! Here's a thought. Let him take over the BATMAN film franchise. I mean, I know it sounds like a joke but..........he wants realism, he wants conflicted, he wants dark. And there you go! He'd do Nolan proud.
Part of me would kind of like that to happen to that the Nolanites would have a meltdown. Maybe we'd luck out and he'd cast Blandon as Bruce. Wouldn't that just be perfect?

Of course, inevitably that'd be the version of Batman that makes it into the Justice League of America movie and we'd all have to suffer through more of his "as emotive as a 2x4" acting, stinking up the screen alongside likely superior actors. So maybe we shouldn't give WB any ideas...

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  Apologist Puncher on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:57 pm

Funnily enough, BS is in store for his THIRD consecutive flop on 'Jack The Giant Flopper' comes out.

Singerman Peeps. Valcrappy. Jack The Giant Flopper.

Bodes well for 'X-Men: Days of Future Past', don't it?

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:34 am

Here's more what he has to say about MOS in another interview...

"Oh, very excited to see it. I love the trailer, and I think Zack Snyder is incredibly talented, It would have been strange for me if this was a few years ago; it would have been a little weird. But now there's so much distance from that world that I'm actually pumped to see it, genuinely. So I'm just looking forward to it."

He would find it strange if this was a few years ago? How could it be strange then if it's not strange now, what sense does that make?

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  thecolorsblend on Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:27 am

Apologist Puncher wrote:Funnily enough, BS is in store for his THIRD consecutive flop on 'Jack The Giant Flopper' comes out.

Singerman Peeps. Valcrappy. Jack The Giant Flopper.

Bodes well for 'X-Men: Days of Future Past', don't it?
I guess that's the whole reason why I don't get how people are all excited about him coming back to X-Men. Singerman sucked, Valkyrie sucked (yes, I saw it, a bunch of friends wanted to see it when it came out and I lost the vote) and that giant movie doesn't look like it's any radical improvement on his already lackluster series of output. If X-Men turns out well (and there's a chance it might), I could sooner credit the script and the cast for that much as I do the Usual Suspects, where Singer is the weakest link there as well.

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  non_amos on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:45 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:
Apologist Puncher wrote:Funnily enough, BS is in store for his THIRD consecutive flop on 'Jack The Giant Flopper' comes out.

Singerman Peeps. Valcrappy. Jack The Giant Flopper.

Bodes well for 'X-Men: Days of Future Past', don't it?
I guess that's the whole reason why I don't get how people are all excited about him coming back to X-Men. Singerman sucked, Valkyrie sucked (yes, I saw it, a bunch of friends wanted to see it when it came out and I lost the vote) and that giant movie doesn't look like it's any radical improvement on his already lackluster series of output. If X-Men turns out well (and there's a chance it might), I could sooner credit the script and the cast for that much as I do the Usual Suspects, where Singer is the weakest link there as well.

I may be a little behind times on this subject but why exactly ain't Matthew Vaughn or whatever his name is returning as director? Whether you like X-MEN: FIRST CLASS or not, a lot of people do. I have a friend who absolutely adores the film & really digs how they portrayed Professor X & Magneto in their younger days. So exactly why didn't he return?

As for Bryan Singerman, I think a lot of fanboys feel that he hit it out of the park with the 1st 2 X-Men films & that we would've been better off if he'd stayed for the 3rd film since they didn't like what Brett Ratner did with it & that would also have given us a different Superman film as well. Maybe they have a point? I liked those X-films he did, especially the 2nd one. He can apparently get away with his whole 'conflicted' inner turmoil crapola better with that franchise. They're like misfits to begin with but Superman ain't!

But let's be thankful too that he ain't doing a Singerman sequel. Case in point. We would've had BJ the 2x4 instead of Henry Cavill. The Five-Head instead of the awesome Amy Adams. Rigormortis Langella instead of Lawrence Fisburne. Jimmy would've been baking Clark a cake. Swell! We probably would've seen the return of Kevin Spacey once again aping Gene Hackman but failing. He & what's-her-name would've been rescued from that island. The Super-Twerp would've had to die at the hands of Brainiac or whoever or even worse, at the hands of Singerman! And if that ain't enough, I believe we would've seen General Zod played by Jude Law instead of the most awesome Michael Shannon. You know, because he somehow, sorta, 'looks' like Terrance Stamp. Whatever. I guess kinda like how BJ 'looks' like the living incarnation of Christopher Reeve. Rolling Eyes

Yeah, I think we have a lot to be thankful for that Singer is 'on' X-men. Laughing

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:56 am

non_amos wrote:I may be a little behind times on this subject but why exactly ain't Matthew Vaughn or whatever his name is returning as director? Whether you like X-MEN: FIRST CLASS or not, a lot of people do. I have a friend who absolutely adores the film & really digs how they portrayed Professor X & Magneto in their younger days. So exactly why didn't he return?

As for Bryan Singerman, I think a lot of fanboys feel that he hit it out of the park with the 1st 2 X-Men films & that we would've been better off if he'd stayed for the 3rd film since they didn't like what Brett Ratner did with it & that would also have given us a different Superman film as well. Maybe they have a point? I liked those X-films he did, especially the 2nd one. He can apparently get away with his whole 'conflicted' inner turmoil crapola better with that franchise. They're like misfits to begin with but Superman ain't!

But let's be thankful too that he ain't doing a Singerman sequel. Case in point. We would've had BJ the 2x4 instead of Henry Cavill. The Five-Head instead of the awesome Amy Adams. Rigormortis Langella instead of Lawrence Fisburne. Jimmy would've been baking Clark a cake. Swell! We probably would've seen the return of Kevin Spacey once again aping Gene Hackman but failing. He & what's-her-name would've been rescued from that island. The Super-Twerp would've had to die at the hands of Brainiac or whoever or even worse, at the hands of Singerman! And if that ain't enough, I believe we would've seen General Zod played by Jude Law instead of the most awesome Michael Shannon. You know, because he somehow, sorta, 'looks' like Terrance Stamp. Whatever. I guess kinda like how BJ 'looks' like the living incarnation of Christopher Reeve. Rolling Eyes

Yeah, I think we have a lot to be thankful for that Singer is 'on' X-men. Laughing
I never saw the story potential in Singerman 2. It just isn't something you can make a sequel to because the traditional mythos are in ruins by the time Routh flies off into the sunrise or sunset or whatever that was.

No idea why Vaughn isn't doing the new X-Men. My hunch, though, is that it's because Singer needs something to put him back on the map so he pulled rank and inserted himself as director. His track record with the franchise is good so probably nobody gave him too much resistance.

Kind of irritates me that Ratner gets burned in effigy for X3 (which isn't a bad film at all for his participation) while Singer gets a free pass on Singerman (which is a piece of crap from beginning to end because of his participation) but I've given up on expecting logic and common sense from "the online community". Ratner was a hired gun who had about one year to bring a faulty script to life. Singer was the prime creative driving force of Singerman with oodles of money and time at his disposal; you tell me who's more responsible for those movies turning out the way they did.

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  Apologist Puncher on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:32 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:I guess that's the whole reason why I don't get how people are all excited about him coming back to X-Men. Singerman sucked, Valkyrie sucked (yes, I saw it, a bunch of friends wanted to see it when it came out and I lost the vote) and that giant movie doesn't look like it's any radical improvement on his already lackluster series of output. If X-Men turns out well (and there's a chance it might), I could sooner credit the script and the cast for that much as I do the Usual Suspects, where Singer is the weakest link there as well.

I have a feeling Vaughn wasn't into Fox's new "shared universe" concepts, even though BS and Mark Millar haven't even SPOKEN yet, and decided to move on to other things. Singer's looking to stop his box-office tailspin, and thinks he has an easy job going back to the 'X-Men' franchise. But I don't think he TRULY understands how much Marvel Studios has changed things.

His mopey, leather suited, hit you over the head with a 2X4 gay allegories, FU to the comics attitude won't be countenanced any longer. Unless he has SERIOUSLY changed his attitude towards the source material, and nothing makes me think he has, then 'Days of Future Past' is in trouble.

I'm also going to post something that hit me recently about BS when it comes to BJ. I'll post it in the Donnerverse section, since neither of them deserve to sully up the 'MOS' section any more than they have.

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  James Stocks on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:27 pm

*sigh* I really don't have much venom for the guy and cannot understand how anyone would be so emotionally invested towards an individual, especially when it comes to unrelenting hatred. I don't even have venom on the people I thought were utterly wrong for a James Bond film. Maybe it's just me, I always try to look at things from a distance. As for his resume, I enjoyed Valkyrie, nothing great but I didn't come away thinking it sucked. Hadn't seen it since it came out, so I dunno how it would hold up. I still enjoy The Usual Suspects and the two X-Men films immensely. I haven't watched Superman Returns in many years, I might pop that in right before MOS comes out. Actually, just thinking about that make me yawn.

Still, Jack the Giant Killer looks like ass, might be the worst thing he ever did.

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Re: Bryan Singer gives his thoughts on MOS

Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:28 am

You're a 007 fan, right? Too lazy to check but my understanding is that Bond films have come out pretty regularly since the 60's. The biggest gap between movies is, what, five years? Six? Plus, for all intents and purposes, Bond may as well be a film character. Yeah yeah yeah, started off in the novels, Ian Fleming, whatever, he's a film character. He's that iconic. Put yourself in our shoes. Imagine you had to wait damned near 20 years for a new Bond movie... and the end result features the most untalented hack you've ever seen badly repeating old Connery lines while the director has a serious boner for Dr. No and mostly succeeds only in reminding us how much better Dr. No is.

Motherfucker never fires his gun, has a car chase or a narrow escape, never orders a martini or does much else you associate with James Bond at his most iconic. Instead, he has a tranquilizer dart gun, a regular bicycle, no gadgets and he orders beers before and after stalking a rather boyish-looking Moneypenny.

Twenty years of your life and all you've got to show for it is something that's damned close to epitomizing everything that Bond never represented to most people. How happy would you be? Might you have just a bit of a grudge against whoever masterminded that abortion of a movie?

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Post  James Stocks on Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:24 am

A lot of the 007 examples you put actually happened Laughing especially not firing a gun for a whole movie and using darts (which of course shoot out of his watch). I guess the closest to a SR for Bond is Licence to Kill, which was underwhelming at the box office, featured a lead nobody liked (especially in the US), was criticized for not being suitable for children and no new film was made for six years.

However, you make a fine point about the number of productions throughout the years. That I would blame on WB. Bond does make a good example of how you can keep a series viable by always keep production going even after something major like a change in lead actors and the tone of the films always evolved with the times. I think the closest you have in the comic book world is the MARVEL universe and the producers have made it no secret that once RDJ is finished they will not be scared to recast, and that is because they believe the material is stronger than one man. As long as they keep making films that stay true to the spirit of the comics and engage audiences, they have a great future. If a film doesn't do so well, brush it off and try better next time.

Contras that with WB, which seems to have little confidence in any of the DC material unless it features a man dressed as a bat. They hired Singer to make the film he wanted to make and he did, and for whatever dumb reason they thought his vision would be loved by audiences. If anything Id blame WB for that more than Singer. They could have hired someone who was more well versed in the comics and make a film that would begin a new era for DC. Another thing is that SR had too many threads by the end of the film that no sequel could be made without dealing with them. Contrast that to the Marvel films that remain relatively standalone but still have threads that aren't too overwhelming (unless you include the post credits).

Singer is definitely responsible for how the film turned out, no doubt about it. But ultimately it's WB that lacked the foresight to see if a film like that was viable as the beginning of a new era.

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Post  non_amos on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:13 pm

The Bond comparison seems to come up a lot in regard to superhero franchises, particularly Superman, Batman & Spiderman. The problem is though is that I've yet to see a superhero franchise act on it! The original Burton Batman franchise should've been a prime example of this. It got off to an excellent start but I think even the fans would've understood that Michael Keaton couldn't do it forever. He could've done one or two more films though but it wasn't to be. But if that franchise had followed the Bond lead then they could've avoided Joel Shumacher like the plague & just kept cranking out good Bat-films. Recasting would've been inevitable but after a 3-4 year break it wouldn't have mattered as much. So if they had done that there would've been no Nolan reboot & by now there would've been no telling how many villains we would've seen done successfully. And ditto for the Reeve Superman franchise. I know this has been discussed before but I think we all know how Gerard Christopher was being primed to make the jump to the big screen but that fell apart too due to circumstances.

So due to the abundance of the source material, superhero franchises should follow this lead instead of rebooting all the time. But they don't! And this is no doubt due to mismanagement somewhere. However, Marvel does seem to now have a better grip on this but it seems like wishful thinking for WB/DC to do the same.

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Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:33 pm

I totally understand. And I even agree. But for me, the "do it like the Bond franchise" argument kinda falls apart in that most superheroes have a fairly limited rogue's gallery. As good as Batman's is, you've got a lot of "twisted reflections" in there. Batman's villains tend to be similar to him in some way or another. I think it would get repetitive after a while.

As for Superman, his rogue's gallery is even more anemic. You have to wonder how many of them are really capable of headlining a Superman movie too. I like Metallo and everything but can he really shoulder a movie? Maybe... but maybe not.

Meanwhile, Bond can get by with new villains each time out.

I'm not excusing mishandling film properties. Far from it. I'm just saying that what works for James Bond may not necessarily work for other characters.

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